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Abraham Lincoln, Originalist | Interview: Akhil Amar

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The Dispatch

News, Government, Politics

4.74K Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Akhil Amar, Sterling Professor of law and political science at Yale, joins Sarah and David for a deep dive into the constitutional battles and amendments that ended slavery, offering a preview of his forthcoming book, Born Equal: Remaking America’s Constitution, 1840–1920. The Agenda:—Exploring originalism and American identity—Our canonical texts—The Second Amendment and originalism—The evolution of constitutional interpretation—‘His errors were symmetric’—Harriet Beecher Stowe: America’s first female superstar Show Notes:—Read "Brothers In Law" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ready?

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I was born ready.

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Welcome to advisory opinions. I'm Sarah Isger. That's David French. And do we have a special guest for y'all today? Should I tell you? Or should we just wait until after the break? His new book, Born Equal, coming out September 16th, the day before Constitution Day. I think I've given you quite a few hints right back after

0:39.3

this.

0:42.8

Professor Akeel, Reid, Amar, welcome back to the podcast.

0:48.2

Thank you for having me back.

0:50.2

You know, we had you after your first of this series of books. You're doing three books.

0:56.8

Yes. The Fellowship of the Ring, the Two Towers, and the Return of the King. And now I finish the

1:03.8

second one. The Words that Made Us is one of my favorite legal slash constitutional slash American history books. And here we're picking up

1:14.6

in the run up to the Civil War with your new book called Born Equal. You can pre-order it.

1:19.3

I have pre-ordered it. I'm, yeah, he's showing it to us right here. And it's beautiful. It even

1:24.1

has color maps, which are historical and like really, really

1:27.6

gorgeous maps. And if you don't know, it means he's also a really big deal as a writer,

1:32.8

because most publishers will laugh in your face if you want color pictures in your book. But not

1:38.3

if you're Professor Amar, then you get all the color pictures you want. And by the way, David French, you sound maybe not

1:46.3

like death, but like heated up, death, warmed over? My volume on words is going to be a little

1:51.8

lower. I spent the last four days outside of Medellin, Colombia, where my niece was getting married

1:57.4

to this wonderful Colombian man and was wonderful time. And I don't know if I

2:03.5

picked up a bug or if the act of shouting over pounding Latin music for many, many hours over the

2:10.9

weekends has did this to me. All right. I want to start where you actually start in this book, but I want to go even a little maybe

2:20.6

bigger picture. If one is an originalist, whatever that might mean, how are we supposed to think

2:28.9

about the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the second founding, the post-Civil War amendments,

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