Seth Gruber is a CEO and founder of the White Rose Resistance. He's also the host of the popular

podcast unaborted and an outspoken pro-life advocate. Seth is joining me today to talk about the

condition of the church and where we should be in the culture today. This is going to be a very

frank conversation. If you've got little ones, you might want to have them tune in for a different

show because we're not going to be pulling any punches. This is Seth's style and I think he is a

voice that needs to be heard. Stick around, I think you're going to be encouraged.

All right, Seth Gruber. Welcome back to the show. Thanks, Heidi. Good to be with,

good to hang out with you. You domestic terrorists, the ultra mega mommy or something like that.

What are they calling us now? Yeah, something something like that. Although I just did a show

yesterday, actually, about how I'm starting to get pretty frustrated with people that are so

hardcore devoted to one candidate that they can't see the force or the trees and they're willing

to, you know, they're willing to ruin their friendships over it. They're willing to, you know,

be basically, you know, unkind in their own community. We got to do better than this. I'm

all about leasing politics to return to statesmanship. I think we can tell the truth and still be kind.

Do you think so? Is it possible? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, a defined kind.

I was a kind of Elijah to walk up to the prophets of Baal and after Baal didn't rain down

fire from heaven and say, so prophets of Baal, where's Baal? Is he constipated? Is he on the poover?

Does he have some tummy trouble? I mean, defined kind, right? If it's if it's Russell Moore's

definition of conscience. Well, I mean, you're talking about you're talking about Baal. I mean,

you're you're talking about Baal. You're you're talking about, you know, the the murder of innocent

babies. You're talking. I'm just talking about, you know, let's say that there's somebody

running for Congress and you don't like him. And so now, now, now do you get now, do you get to

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