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ABOLISH POVERTY: Matthew Desmond on How We Can Do It

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🗓️ 23 March 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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RUFUS GRISCOM: Could you share with us your broader mission and how your new book, “Poverty, by America,” supports that mission? MATTHEW DESMOND: I want to end poverty. I want to be part of the movement that’s growing around the country not to treat it but to cure it, not to reduce it but to abolish it. And I say that because we can. We can, as a country, put an end to all this scarcity and deprivation in our midst.

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0:00.0

LinkedIn presents I wonder if we ever believed the stories we told ourselves about the connection

0:13.7

between work and poverty. You know that people could just work their way out of poverty and

0:21.5

if people are poor it's because they haven't put in the the muscle, the shoe leather you know

0:26.5

and there's a part of me that thinks we didn't really believe it in our hearts of hearts.

0:32.5

I'm Wufus Griskym and this is the next big idea. Today can we abolish poverty?

0:56.6

I don't know about you but I've spent much of my life living in a bubble.

1:08.9

I grew up upper middle class, my mother was a social worker, my father, a lawyer. I spent the last

1:14.0

two decades living in New York City where you can't help but see poverty right alongside

1:19.2

extraordinary wealth but to be honest I've never really fully understood the mechanics of poverty

1:25.6

why the problem is so intractable and why we haven't made the kinds of progress other wealthy

1:29.9

nations have in taking care of our people. That changed however when I read a new book by

1:36.4

Pulitzer Prize-winning sociologist Matthew Desmond called Poverty by America. Heralded by the

1:42.8

New Yorker as a moral gut punch, Matt's book has really opened my eyes to why it is that so many

1:48.5

people got left behind in America and who benefits. The story he tells is heartbreaking,

1:55.6

inspiring and in the end infuriating. It's a story of greed and competence obliviousness.

2:02.0

Who's greed you might ask? Who's obliviousness? In the end I realized it's ours.

2:08.3

Why can't we solve the problem? Matt's answer is unflinchingly direct because we don't want to.

2:15.2

You may feel as I have that inequality is not your fault. We've all made small efforts to make

2:23.4

the world better. We vote for politicians who we think will heal the nation. Many of us vote to

2:29.1

raise our own taxes. We may make donations or give money to people we see on the street or

2:34.2

make small gestures that cause us to feel like we're one of the good guys.

2:38.2

But we also like our cheap stuff. Inexpensive products from Amazon that arrive at our doorstep

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