This is Ovious and Jillio.

Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio.

I'm Joe Oveas. Inside Eifford Studios in downtown, Raleigh, thanks to Empire Properties and thanks to Copiers Plus. Check them out online at

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managing your feelings because a player is going from NC State to Carolina,

like the one one of the players that you really would have liked to have seen a Wolfpack Red is swapping it out for Carolina Blue? Is that, is that management that they handle? Maybe, maybe not. I have no idea. But in the meantime, call them. Hit them up online. Copiers dash plus.com. We got the NFL draft. My case. Charlotte Observer is going to drop on by.

We got the Tom Dundon El Chippo has broken contain. I'll also lay out how Tom Dundon,

Carolina Hurricanes owner, now Portland Trailblazers owner, might be partially responsible for Michael Malone ending up at

UNC because Joe what do we like to say on this program nothing happens in a vacuum so comes to

the triangle we will get to that in a larger conversation about Tom Dundon getting roasted on the

internet all week long and Portland getting a taste of what

people around here have known about Tom Dundon for quite some time.

But let's actually start with the transfer portal as the deadline has come and gone, and we're

starting to get a better idea of what these rosters are going to look like.

Now, the big headline grabber and why Triangle Sports is unlike any other market in the country,

and it's why I love it.

We have Matt Abel going from NC State to UNC.

There's the graphic show.

Look at those colors complement each other, right?

You know, got the Carolina blue border.

Matt Abel and his NC State uniform.

He's going from NC State to Carolina.

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