ABA's False Promises (Ep. 524)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.6 • 886 Ratings
🗓️ 15 September 2025
⏱️ 81 minutes
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Summary
Ben and Nate review a letter from the ABA council chair outlining the standards behind ongoing accreditation revisions. Line by line, the guys conclude the same thing: the ABA underperforms in its efforts to protect law students, from the lack of transparency surrounding the actual price of law school to the ever-increasing cost of a legal degree. Protect yourself by crushing the LSAT, applying early and broadly, and attending the right school at the right price.
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0:31 – Tips from Departing Demons
Ben and Nate share the top tips from departing Demon students who crushed the August exam.
Andrew: Just read the damn words.
Mario: Don’t take an official test until your scores show you’re ready.
Stevan: Get greedy.
Megan: The advice to “slow down” applies to you.
Sam: It takes hard work.
7:59 – ABA Standards and Values
The ABA council chair’s recent letter highlights their guiding standards for revised accreditation. They claim to act in the name of consumer protection and professional integrity, but many of their standards read like lip service. Ben and Nathan point out how the ABA underperforms by its own values—especially around transparency. Simply put, the law school pricing system is stacked against students. This makes it vital to focus on the actual price paid rather than the sticker price. The best way to protect yourself: crush the LSAT and attend the right school at the right price.
36:26 – Is Going to an ABA School Necessary?
Gabriel is weighing a top-tier ABA school against a state-accredited option. While elite schools are useful for breaking into big law, the bigger question is whether you understand the path to practice. Price should still be your top concern. $75,000 isn’t cheap, but with the right LSAT performance, you can likely find a school for free.
44:35 – Practice Tests
Mehdi asks whether practice tests are still relevant after the latest changes to the LSAT. Ben and Nate suggest avoiding Reddit. The LSAT has always been a test of reading and comprehension. The removal of logic games doesn’t change that. Mehdi mentions planning for the November test. Ben and Nathan push back, insisting that choosing a test date in advance is premature.
53:32 – A JD Isn’t a Gravy Train
John shares a story about meeting a law grad now working at a building supply store. It’s a reminder that a JD alone doesn’t guarantee financial stability or prestige. Listeners should carefully weigh the cost of law school against realistic career outcomes.
56:00 – What’s the Deal with Mitchell Hamline School of Law?
Ben and Nate dive into John’s story by looking at the supply clerk’s alma mater: Mitchell Hamline School of Law, “Minnesota’s Law School of Choice.”
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1:17:09 – Word of the Week: Lacunae
“A common law prosecution is not possible, therefore, unless there is a true gap in the statutory system, and today there are few lacunae.”
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Our students can take advantage of this very broken system by getting the best LSAT you can, apply broadly, and then just refuse to pay up. |
| 0:17.1 | Hello and welcome to episode 524 of the Thinking LSAT podcast. I'm Nathan Fox. With me is Ben Olson. |
| 0:22.9 | We're the co-founders of ElSatDemon.com and the ElSat Demon Daily podcast. Right off the bat, Ben, we have a bunch of tips from people who recently crushed the LSAT. |
| 0:34.8 | And sometimes on their way out the door we ask them for their advice so we've |
| 0:40.1 | got five different pieces of advice you want to start with Andrew yeah just read the damn |
| 0:45.1 | just sorry just read the damn words on the screen and answer some damn questions okay Andrew so Andrew. So, so many people, and then he cites LSAT, Reddit, |
| 0:59.8 | overthink and overcomplicate everything, |
| 1:02.8 | asking about how to set up their study plans, |
| 1:05.2 | where to go from X score to whatever score, |
| 1:08.7 | how to diagram, some and most statements, etc. Buddy, just click the drill |
| 1:14.6 | button. Thanks to my innovative strategy and the demon I scored a 172 this August. Thanks, |
| 1:22.3 | demon team. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward if you just read the words on the page. |
| 1:28.7 | Mario says, never clap, give, clap up, clap. |
| 1:35.3 | You know how people do that thing with emojis? |
| 1:37.5 | Yeah, yeah. |
| 1:38.8 | Also, never sign up, let alone take an official exam before you have dominated your practice tests. |
| 1:46.0 | Even one disappointing official result can damage your test mindset for years. |
| 1:50.7 | Take these words from someone who first took an official exam in January of 2019 and scored a 151. |
| 1:59.0 | With maximal thanks to the demon, Demon Daily, and Thinking Elseat, I just learned that I scored a 151. With maximal thanks to the Demon, Demon Daily, and thinking else at, |
| 2:02.6 | I just learned that I scored a 171 on my August exam, |
| 2:06.6 | my best ever official or unofficial result. |
| 2:10.6 | Like you predicted, I didn't finish a single section. |
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