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This is above average intelligence, a production of the DSR Network.

Each week, hosts Mark Polymeropolis and David Rothkoff

are joined by leading experts from the Intelligence Community

for expert analysis on the biggest security challenges around the world.

Welcome to the podcast, I'm Mark Polymeropolis and this is

DSR's Above Average Intelligence Show. I'm very happy to welcome today as my

guest, Mr. Mick Mulroy, a great friend, got to always throw that in there. Former US Deputy

Assistant Secretary of Defense for the Middle East, serving under Secretary James Mattis and Secretary

Mark Esper, who is responsible for representing the DoD for defense policy and for Middle East policy in the interagency.

He's also a retired CIA officer, paramilitary officer, former chief of station, and course, if I leave this out,

you will never forgive me a former,

I don't know, are you ever former,

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