This is above average Intelligence, a production of the DSR network.

Each week hosts Mark Polymeropolis and David Rothkoff are joined by leading experts from the

Intelligence Community for expert

analysis on the biggest security challenges around the podcast. I'm Mark Polymeropolis and this is DSR's above average

intelligence show. Today I am very happy actually I'm thrilled and honored to welcome as my guest

Amy Zegert someone who I've wanted to talk to meet kind of geek out on Intel stuff for a long time.

She is the Morris Arnold and Nona Jean Cox senior fellow

at the Hoover Institution and Professor of Political Science at Stanford.

She's the author of five books specializing in US

Intelligence, emerging technologies and national security, grand strategy, global

political risk management, and her most recent book which we'll certainly get into is the bestseller

spies lies and algorithms the history and future of American intelligence

it's a heck of a book I was actually I think I've given it away so many times I was

running around because I read it and then I gave it away and I can't find a copy of it so I got to get another one. I will say it's it's almost the Bible of the I see for 2024 and beyond. And so Amy it is a it is a delight to have you here today.

I wish we had more than 40 minutes,

but we can, this can be kind of part one of many times

you come on the show.

Welcome. Well, thank you so so much Mark. It's an

honor for me to be here with you and boy I feel like we should just stop the

podcast right now because you said so many nice things about me. I want to go home.

One of the funny things is at you know in my you know I was a practitioner of intelligence for a long time obviously and then you kind of you come into the this weird state or

Roll I have in kind of in the media.

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