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slash disclosures. Welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Michael Copeland.

Chris Milk calls virtual reality the ultimate empathy machine. The filmmaker and founder of

VR shop verse, that's VRSE, talks with A16Z's Chris Dixon about how virtual reality

can connect with people in ways no other medium can.

Milk describes the way as virtual reality production veers from the traditional techniques

of filmmaking and why the results can transport people to places and feelings that we've

never experienced except in the real world.

Chris Dixon starts things off.

So now we have Chris Milk.

Maybe if you could tell people what you're working on.

We're sort of a media technology company that's building the tech to serve the

evolving language of storytelling in virtual reality.

And I can go deeper into that.

You've talked about, and I've written about and talked about the sort of idea that there's a new grammar to virtual reality and how the default state is belief and not disbelief.

Can you talk about that and how, and maybe some of the lessons you've learned so far?

I think we're still figuring out how to make things in VR, but...

Yeah.

I mean, grammar is a good word, because I talk about...

I talk about, like, how we're writing this new language of storytelling

...