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Hi and welcome to the A16Z podcast.

This episode is all about the state of security.

As cyber, physical, and national security become one and the same, how does that change

how we think about the problem and how we address it, from software to hardware?

The conversation was recorded at our summit event in November 2017 and includes

Steena Ehrensfard, founder and CEO of Ubiko, Joel de la Garza, CISO at Box, and Niels

Provost's distinguished engineer at Google, and is moderated by Martine Casado, general partner

at A16C. I used to work for the intelligence community, and I used to go to these

kind of think tanks for the government, which were about sovereignty ending events. And so you'd

have these different experts in different areas, and you'd think, what can we do to the U.S.

critical infrastructure to create the end of sovereignty? And then you'd have the civil engineer,

and you have the electrical engineer, and you have someone that understands hydro, and you'd all sit in a room. And what always struck me about this was two things.

Like, number one, hydro security and electrical security, it's just like security, right, it's part of a

security thing. And the second thing is anytime you found a vulnerability, for example, in the electrical

power grid, like the people that were responsible, they kind of, you know, they're like, yeah,

okay, we'll do some incremental fix. But for cybersecurity, we had kind of our own world.

And then any time, you know, someone found a vulnerability, we're like, we don't understand

what we're doing, we're going to kind of make it all over again.

Have we evolved as a discipline enough so we can just stop talking about cybersecurity?

Is this entirely special new thing?

And we can just talk about security more broadly, or is cybersecurity really that separate

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