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slash disclosures. Welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Michael Copeland. How do you face down cancer? Get told you can't get

life-saving organ transplants and go about getting them anyway. And in the middle of that mental

and physical storm, how do you find the thing that you and only you were meant to do and start building

it? One person who has the answers

is Jim Gilliam, the founder of Nation Builder. And he's got the answers because that is exactly

what he had to do, all of it. It's given Gilliam a clear philosophy on life and on being a leader.

And what he's learned along the way, he says, is something everyone can tap into.

It's that, if that's multiple step or something, it's one believing that there is something

that you're uniquely meant to contribute, finding what that thing is, and then having the

audacity to say, I'm going to do it and the humility to know that you can't do it by yourself.

We've all got that. Everybody does. going to do it and the humility to know that you can't do it by yourself. We've all got that.

Everybody does.

Got to find it.

Gilliam first told his story in a break-the-internet video, The Internet is My Religion.

He's gone deeper with his recently published book of the same title.

Ben Horowitz sat down with Gilliam on the occasion of his book launch to hear more

about his philosophy on life, religion, leadership, and what we all can do to move this world forward.

So welcome, and I'm Ben Horowitz from Andresen Horowitz. This is Jim Gilliam. He is the author

who has come to tell us about his book, and we're very excited about that.

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