Hi, everyone. Welcome to the A6 and C podcast. Today's episode is one of our shorter one-voice

fights based on a longer presentation that was delivered recently at our tech policy summit in D.C.

General partner Martine Casato, who has long worked in the world of security from his days and nights at the

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and Department of Defense working with the

intelligence community to later serving as general manager at VMware of the networking and security business unit.

Martin shares a twist on the typical conversation around cybersecurity because at the end of the day,

it's really just security and physical security is where it's at.

I've given a lot of security talks and I've seen a lot of security talks being given, and they

all kind of follow like roughly the same formula. By the way, this is going back until, like, the late 2000s, there's all something of the

following, which is, like, we don't know what we're doing, the bad guys are getting worse, like,

our defenses aren't keeping up, and, you know, we're like kind things and it's like the end of the world and yada yada yada yada you know and now you know we're 13 years later and like we're still standing and things are fine and things are progressing and so forth and so what I really want to do is I want to kind of have a different type of discussion here and to I want to acknowledge cybersecurity is an issue for sure and like as a civilization as a society we're trying to understand what it means certainly as a society, we're trying to understand what it means.

Certainly as a legal system, we're trying to understand what it means.

But the reality is we kind of have it handled too, like business is growing.

Like we're actually doing a pretty good job of saving off attacks.

We do see attacks and we're able to recover.

We're really on top of a lot of these things.

But I want to highlight why we're in a great position to keep track of that sophistication and

get on top of it.

And then I actually want to flip the discussion a little bit and say, you know what,

cybersecurity really is just security these days, right?

Like, I know that we like to, like, kind of myopically focus on the notion of cyber, but the reality is anytime you look at security, you have to look at cyber assets, you have to look at physical assets, you have to look at human assets.

And I actually think that we're in a great position for cyber to have a very, very positive impact

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