Hi everyone, welcome to the A6 and Z podcast. I'm Sonal. Today we're continuing our taking the

cyber out of cybersecurity series with Herb Lynn, whose senior research scholar for cyber policy

and security at the Center for International Security and Cooperation, and is also at the Hoover

Institution, which are both at Stanford University. We have David Damato, chief security officer

at Tenium and A6 and Z policy team partner

Matt Spence, who among other things previously spent time at the White House working with the

National Security Council. The hallway style discussion ends up focusing on practical advice for

changing the conversation about security in the boardroom as opposed to the situation room.

And we begin with considering the term

cybersecurity and the very first voice you'll hear really briefly is David, followed by Herblin.

By the way, for a quick second, can I just say how annoying a term cyber security is? I feel like

only policy people actually say cyber and people trying to get research funding. And security vendors.

Oh, and security vendor. Oh, what you prefer? That's a good question, actually.

What is the alternative?

This is like that word synergy where it's like a really useful word, but everyone hates it.

And there's no better alternative.

I guess just security.

Let's start with the word cybersecurity, okay, as one word, cybersecurity, no space in between them.

It matters because the Oxford English Dictionary has, which I regard as the authoritative source

on the English language, has taken over the term.

Especially on cyber because it's so up to date.

They are up to date.

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