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Hi, everyone. Welcome to the A6 and Z podcast.

I'm Sonal and I'm here today with our special guest, Kevin Kelly, who is the former

founding editor of Wired, and he has a new book out called The Inevitable.

Oh, and there's, oh, I was going to say there's a subtitle, understanding the 12

technological forces that shape our future.

We're here to talk about that because it's something we're all passionate about. And here with us to have that conversation, we have Chris Dixon and

Kyle Russell. Welcome, guys. Great. Thanks for being here. Yeah, I'm so glad to be here. So can you

tell us about the book? Yeah, the book is trying to do a outline of the major trends in the

digital tech arena in the next 20 or 30 years.

So I think these kinds of long-term trends are fairly well set.

They've been going for decades and they're going to continue.

I'm not trying to talk about the specifics, which I think are unpredictable.

So broadly, the telephone was inevitable. The iPhone was not. The internet was inevitable, but what kind of internet we had,

whether it was commercial, private, international, or cosmopolitan was not inevitable, and we had

a lot of choice in that. So I'm talking about long-term

trends, say, on the order like a Moore's law, where the specifics are unpredictable, but the

direction is pretty clear. What's the point of saying it's inevitable? What's inevitable in the sense

that I think we need to embrace them rather than try to

prohibit or stop them or lessen them that we need to embrace.

Imagine, you know, I don't know, 40 years ago, if you really believed Moore's Law that

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