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Welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Michael Copeland, and I am here at the headquarters of

Tainium with Orion Hindawi, CTO. Orian, thanks for coming. Or actually, I'm visiting you, so thanks

for having me. It's a pleasure either way. I just saw, literally, I was coming up in the elevator,

I just saw that WikiLeaks had posted hundreds of thousands of emails and more data from the Sony hack.

It seems to have been a pretty bad year.

I mean, it's a tough year if you've been a security person.

And 2013 was certainly a tough year.

And, you know, a couple of years before that.

Is it getting worse?

So there are a couple factors there.

So the first factor really is that we're getting better at detecting that we've been attacked.

And so I think a lot of customers have invested in detective mechanisms so that they can see

that bad things are happening.

And I think we're actually surfacing a lot of stuff that used to happen and we just didn't

even know it was happening.

And we're detecting it faster now and we've

got better telemetry on what's happening and I think that's factoring into this. I think another

thing that we're seeing that definitely is getting worse is that companies are keeping more and more

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