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Hi, everyone. Welcome to the A6 and Z podcast.

I'm Sonal.

Today's episode is about the tech that comes into our lives in unexpected ways.

But more specifically, we talk about the engineering that's hidden behind and that drives

consumer products that people use every day, like Airbnb, which people use to book homes,

vacation rentals and experiences, and Pinterest, which people use to book homes, vacation rentals and experiences,

and Pinterest, which people use to discover ideas or inspiration for things to try,

from recipes and home decor to style and more.

Joining us to have this conversation, we have Lee Fan, head of engineering at Pinterest,

and Mike Curtis, VP of Engineering at Airbnb.

In this hallway style conversation, we cover everything from what it

takes to manage engineering teams and the myth or the reality of the 10x engineer to recommendation

systems, data, and machine learning to the camera as a vector for understanding intent,

especially given the challenge of connecting the digital and the physical. So you both uniquely connect to the offline world, online to offline.

And then back and forward, that's not just unidirectional.

So a question I have for you is, how do you know what people are actually doing in the physical world?

Isn't the biggest challenge that they essentially lose data when the person acts physically?

You don't have any freaking clue what they're doing. So how do

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