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Hi, and welcome to the A16Z podcast. Today's episode, based on a panel by and

four developers at our recent summit event, dives into the details of what happens when software

eats development and how the entire development lifecycle is adapting, from how you design your

software, how you build it, how you release it, how you configure it, to how you

monitor it. Moderated by Martine Casado, the conversation includes, in the order in which you'll hear

their voices, Florian Libert, CEO and co-founder of Mesosphere, Matt Billman, CEO and co-founder

of Netlify, and Karthik Rao, co-founder and CEO of Signal FX. This is for me one of the most

interesting questions and trends in all of IT buying, which it used to be the case. If you sold

something, that was a piece of infrastructure you sell it to the ops person or core IT or whatever.

More and more developers are involved in this purchasing. And so this kind of three ways,

you can think of it. You can be like, okay, there's core IT that's buying, there's this new group, maybe that's kind of like a

devopathy group, or basically in the end, it's the developers that do all the buying and have all

the control. And Flo, I'd love for you to talk a little bit about how you've seen this evolution.

I mean, with Mezzo, you guys have been in the thick of this. Is it core IT? Is it Core IT? Is it developers? Is it something in between? So our software is the end users of the software actually operators and also data scientists.

So those are the folks that actually use our product day to day.

But then, of course, they install these platform services.

And platform services are, for example, distributed databases, message cues,

and many other things that you find

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