Hello, this is Peter from Andresen Horowitz, and I'm, it's my honor to be joined by Ben, who's the CEO of DigitalOcean.

Ben, how you doing?

Doing really well.

Thanks, Peter, for having me on.

Good.

Yeah, great.

So one of the things, Ben, that I've spoken quite a bit about recently

in sort of the data center of the future and the future of enterprise technology is the notion

of open source economics finally working and specifically kind of contrasting open source being used

being used as a service like what digital ocean does versus let's say the red hat model of

you know on-prem free software and then charging for for you know, the most charging for support and maintenance

as the economic model.

And my belief is that there's really a very beneficial model by having open source as a service,

open and proprietary source as a service, again, as a way to really drive economic value out of open source.

And I'm just sort of curious.

I mean, you guys are, you've built a company on this.

So I'm curious on your thoughts and how you guys think about that.

Yeah, definitely.

So we built our cloud on top of KVM's virtualization technology, which in and of itself is an open source project, and we deliver a ton more value than just the virtualization engine. So we've created an entire interface and API to interact with the infrastructure that we're providing.

And we've also put thousands of servers into a data center.

Now, all of this is powered by KVM, and we've turned it into a infrastructure as a service provider.

Without the work that was put into the open source project,

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