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Life in the Peloton, presented by MAAP

A Yarn with The Legends: Daniel & Lionel from The Cycling Podcast

Life in the Peloton, presented by MAAP

Mitch Docker

Fitness, Sports, Wilderness, Health & Fitness

4.8543 Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 107 minutes

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Summary

Life in the Peloton is proudly brought to you by MAAP Guys, it’s here - the final episode of Life In The Peloton for 2025! This season has absolutely flown by; it feels like yesterday I was cracking open a Coopers at the Tour Down Under back in January getting warmed up for the year ahead, but here we are, the Il Lombardia of the podcasting calendar. I wanted to round the season out with a bang, so I’ve got a couple of very special guests this month. My old mates Daniel Friebe and Lionel Bernie - perhaps better known as the masterminds behind The Cycling Podcast - are on the pod, and we’re going through everything cycling & podcasting from Armstrong to Zubeldia.  These guys are true legends of cycling journalism. They’ve been there on the ground at the Grand Tours for a decade now, and even before that have been covering races like the Tour de France since the 1990s! They have the sort of depth of knowledge that you only get when you’ve been inside the sport for generations, and their podcasts really show that. Long time listeners of either pod will remember when LITP was actually hosted by The Cycling Podcast way back in 2020 & 2021, from 2021 to 2024 the guys had me out in France making daily The Cycling Podcast episodes on the ground with other guest presenters like Ian Boswell, Richard Abraham, and Graham Willgoss. I learnt absolutely heaps from lifting the curtain seeing how these guys operate, and I feel like my own podcast stepped up a level thanks to their influence. In this ep, we go through the whole timeline of The Cycling Podcast, from the early days before the boys knew each other, right through to today and what’s next! I feel like we really dig into how the sausage is made… Of course, The Cycling Podcast itself was founded by Lionel, Daniel, and the late - and very great - Richard Moore, who sadly passed away in 2022. Richard was a hero of mine, an innovator in podcasting, and an absolute pillar of cycling media. His influence can still be felt on the pod, and I loved hearing Daniel and Lionel’s old stories of the total legend. There’s a few Talking Luft style questions thrown in there for the boys too - worst ever meal on a bike race, best ever podcast guest (me, obviously…), cycling heroes, and more!  Guys, this year’s been another absolutely massive one for the pod - and I’ve had a mega time producing these episodes for you to enjoy. Thanks so much for lending me your ears every month and listening to me yarn away with a whole host of guests. Don’t despair - we’ve still got an episode of Life In The Peloton’s Race Radio and The Race Communique to come before the end of October, then it’s time to hang the mic up for a few months and enjoy an off season filled with bike riding, a few frothies, and making plans to make the pod even better in 2026.  Cheers! Mitch ----more---- I’ll be heading to Adelaide this January for the Santos Tour Down Under - chasing the racing, riding the bunches in the morning, and soaking up all the summer vibes the city has to offer. Hope to see you there.

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0:00.0

Well, here we go, guys. We're back, and I can't believe it. It's here. The season is coming to a close. Yes, the World Tour season is coming to a close and if you're a

0:21.5

long time list, you will know it's time for a little bit of off season here at Life and the

0:26.6

Peloton too. But we couldn't have done it without all the support from our crew over at

0:31.6

Map. It's been awesome working with these guys and girls over the last couple of years,

0:36.9

have brought some great new energy

0:39.0

to the podcast and the Life in the Peloton family of course remember that amazing life in the

0:44.9

Peloton kit and I was getting dirty on that FKT, those Equinox rise and they're opening labs

0:50.3

all over the world as well as keeping the train rolling. It's been really, really cool

0:56.7

to be a part of the journey. This year has absolutely flown by and can you remember we kick

1:02.6

things off with Lucy Bartholomew. We went across to New Zealand, did that crazy trip around

1:07.8

the Ride 35. We rode the classics with Lawrence Pithy, got the scoop from

1:12.5

Derek G at the Giro, Ben O'Connor gave us that TDF preview, and then we went back into the lab

1:18.9

with Andre LaGersh. That was some really cool stuff there. Love talking to Andre. And of course,

1:24.1

we did that deep dive and checked out the financial situation in pro cycling.

1:29.6

After that, we had that really lovely chat with the Rothwells, the father and son.

1:34.0

And of course, just a few weeks ago, we sat down with our favorite here at Life in the Peloton, Mike Woods, and asked him 10 questions.

1:43.1

Well, it was going to be hard to top that and I had to

1:46.2

sit back and think, how am I going to send you guys into the off-season with something a little

1:50.5

bit special? So I thought, all right, what am I going to do? Let's get some warm, familiar voices on.

1:56.9

My good old mates from the cycling podcast, Lionel Burnie and Daniel Freib, these guys are the

2:03.2

pioneers when it comes to cycling podcast. They took what we have now, something that we very

2:08.9

much take for granted. They took it from a conversation on an iPhone to a full-blown production

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