A Worthwhile Canadian Dust-Up
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 13 August 2018
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
Canada and Saudi Arabia have been at loggerheads over the past week ever since the Canadian Foreign Minister condemned Saudi Arabia’s arrest of Samar Badawi, a human rights activist. Saudi Arabia's reactions were extreme, including expelling the Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, halting trade negotiations and the pulling of the Saudi Arabian ambassador for diplomatic consultation.
To sort this all out, Lawfare senior editor Shannon Togawa Mercer spoke to Scott Anderson, former diplomat and international lawyer, and Canadian professors Stephanie Carvin of The Intrepid Podcast and Carleton University, Bessma Momani of the Stimpson Center, and Thomas Juneau of the University of Ottowa.
They spoke about Saudi Arabian and Canadian strategy, international legal considerations and what comes next.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | I believe what we're calling a dust up, but has had some fairly serious consequences, |
| 0:37.9 | which is includes the expelling of our ambassador, the bringing of kind of end to a new investment, |
| 0:46.2 | although we're still I think trying to figure out what the scale of that actually means. |
| 0:49.6 | Unfortunately, Saudi students who are in Canada are being forced to leave and return |
| 0:53.3 | back to their country, so that's unfortunate for Canadian universities as well as those |
| 0:57.7 | students. |
| 0:58.7 | And even going so far as to force Saudi patients who are getting medical treatment in Canada |
| 1:03.3 | back to Saudi Arabia as well. |
| 1:05.1 | So they're taking this fairly seriously to put it mildly. |
| 1:09.8 | I'm Shannon Tagawa-Merser and this is the LawFair podcast, August 13, 2018. |
| 1:16.6 | Canada and Saudi Arabia have been at loggerheads over the past week in change. |
| 1:21.6 | About what you ask? |
| 1:22.9 | The Canadian Foreign Minister tweeted condemnation of Saudi Arabia's arrest of Somor Badawi, |
| 1:27.1 | a human rights activist. |
| 1:28.9 | Since that tweet, we've seen extreme responses from Saudi Arabia, including expelling the |
| 1:33.1 | Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, halting trade negotiations, and the pulling of the |
| 1:37.8 | Saudi Arabian ambassador for diplomatic consultation. |
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