Hello and welcome to this episode of a world to win. We have a really special

episode for you this week dedicated to the memory of my friend and mentor

Leo Panich. So this week I'm talking to Max Shanley,

who is a socialist strategist and organizer and Leo's very close friend and mentee and Sam Ginden the former director of research for the

Canadian Auto Workers Union and longtime collaborator of Leo's including on

his Magnum Opus the Making of Global Capitalism.

It is such an honor to be able to talk to two of Leo's closest friends about the legacy

of this truly brilliant man, and I really hope you enjoy our conversation.

Make sure you use this opportunity to check out Leo's work if you haven't, particularly that

brilliant book The Making of Global Capitalism, but also his most recent book

with Colin Lee's searching for socialism and many of his other articles including

those published in the Socialist Register which he edited with Greg Alboe for many many years.

Without further ado here is my conversation about the incredible Leo Panich with Sam Ginden and Max Shanley. Rest in Power Leo.

This week I am joined by Sam Ginden and Max Shanley for a special episode of a World to

win in memory of all of our friends Leo Panich who very tragically passed away at the end of last year and we're going to be talking today a bit about Leo the man the activist and the academic so I'm delighted to have both Max and Sam

with me here today. Now Sam I want to ask you a bit about how you got to know Leo. You were both born to first

generation immigrants in Canada, him to Ukrainian and you to Russian parents and

you kind of grew up in that context and came to have similar politics and obviously work together extensively over the years.

How do you think that growing up in that context in Canada shaped both of your politics?

And yeah, how did you get to know Leo?

We met at university.

We were about 17. I think it I think it was the early 60s, and in Manitoba you could start university after grade 11.

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