Hello and welcome to a world to win a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Grace Blakely

bringing you your weekly dose of socialist news, theory and action from around the world.

This week I spoke to Holly Jane Buck, Assistant Professor of Environment and Sustainability

at the University of Buffalo in Buffalo, New York, about her new book Ending Fossil Fuels.

Why Net Zero is not enough? We talk about the meaning of Net Zero, the different trajectories

we might use to get there, and how these different paths might ease or exacerbate other ecological,

social and political challenges the world faces today.

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track Heavyweight Champion of the world as our intro and outro music. And now here is Holly

Buck on Why Net Zero is not enough. Hello Holly and welcome to a world to win. How are you doing today?

Great, thank you. So we are here to discuss your latest book and I want to open with the question

you pose in the title of that book. Why is Net Zero not enough? Yeah, so there's a few problems with

Net Zero. One is that there's Net Zero implies some amount of positive emissions that are balanced

by some amount of negative emissions. So the idea is that we reduce as many emissions as we can

and then that there's these carbon removal schemes that can compensate for the rest.

And so that became a thing because people realised that we were very late with mitigation

and that we don't have the technologies to fully decarbonise some sectors just yet.

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