Hello and welcome to a world to win a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Grace Blakely bringing

you your weekly dose of socialist news, theory and action from around the world. This week

I speak to Amelia Hogan, the loss of the PhD candidate researching the politics of work

and author of Lost in Work, escaping capitalism. We discuss the changing nature of work in the

UK and around the world, how these trends have been impacted by the pandemic, and whether

it's possible to imagine good work under capitalism. Thanks so much as always to our amazing

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And now here is Amelia Hogan on what's changed in the world of work over the last decade.

Hello Amelia Hogan and thank you so much for joining me on a world to win. How are you doing today?

I'm all right. How are you? Yeah, not bad. It's a beautiful sunny day here in South London,

so can't complain. So today we're going to be talking about your book Lost in Work,

which is absolutely fantastic book. I would really recommend everyone go out and purchase,

we'll put a link to that in the description and to some pieces that you've written about it.

My first question for you is the Keynes famously predicted a long time ago that we'd all be working

15 hour weeks by now. What happened? Yes, this is this great way for me, which is

exactly as questions posed is what happened. I mean, I guess there is this kind of idea of

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