Hello and welcome to a world to win, a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Grace Blakely

bringing you your weekly dose of Socialist news, theory and action from around the world.

This week I speak to Ed Miliband, former leader of the Labour Party and current shadow

secretary of state for business, energy and industrial strategy and author of a new book Go Big

How to Fix Our World, which we're discussing today on the show. Thanks so much as always

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of the world as our intro and outro music. And now here is Ed Miliband talking to me about

his new book Go Big. Hello, Ed Miliband and thank you for joining me on this episode of

World to win. How are you today? I'm good and it's very good to be with you and really glad

to be doing this. We're going to be talking today quite a bit about your new book Go Big

How to Fix Our World, which I've read and I really enjoyed. The book strikes quite optimistic

note and some people might wonder how you manage to stay cheerful, particularly in a context

like the one that we're living in right now. What are you so optimistic about?

That is a good question. Look, I think in a way, part of what you've got to be as a progressive

is optimistic because there is so much challenge and so many setbacks that you've got to keep fighting

and you've got to think the world can be better. And I think if you look at the course of history,

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