Hello and welcome to a world to win, a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Grace Blakely

bringing you your weekly dose of socialist news, theory and action from around the world.

This week I talk to Lale Calili, Professor of International Relations at Queen Mary University

and author of Sign Use of War and Trade, Shipping and Capitalism in the Arabian Peninsula.

We recorded this episode before the current crisis that's underway in the Suez began,

but the conversation is obviously fascinating in light of what is currently going on in

international shipping as we speak. In this episode we discuss the fascinating architecture and

infrastructure that underpins global shipping internationally and what these networks tell us about

state power, corporate sovereignty and imperialism. Thank you as always to our amazing patrons

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And now here is Lale Khalili on what she learned during her time on a freighter.

Hello Lale Khalili and thank you so much for joining me on this episode of a world to win.

How are you doing today? I'm very well thank you and it's very nice to be here. Thank you for

asking me. Great. Right, so today I want to talk a little bit about your book,

series of law and trade which I really thoroughly enjoyed. I just found it really kind of absorbing

out and atmospheric as well as you know obviously really kind of interesting and engaging.

Thank you. Can you tell us a bit about what made you want to write this what you call an amphibian

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