Hello and welcome to a world to win a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Grace Blakely

bringing you your weekly dose of socialist news theory and action from around the world.

This week I speak to David Wengrow, Professor of Comparative Archaeology at University College

London. He's the author of a brilliant new book, The Dawn of Everything, which he wrote

with my late dear friend David Graber. We have an episode from last year dedicated to David's

memory. So I'd encourage listeners to check that out after this episode. Today, David Wengrow

and I talk about literally everything, human history, human nature and how to change the

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Champion of the world as our intro and outro music. And now here is David Wengrow and

why the narrative we have about human history is so wrong.

Hello David and thank you so much for joining me on this episode of a world to win. How are

you today? All right, good morning Grace and good morning to looking forward to talking to you

about this book, which I think is going to be quite different from all the other conversations

I've had. I hope so. I am also extremely excited to talk to you about this book because

yeah, I personally found it difficult to put down. And as I was just saying, I think it is

very important to get it into as many hands as possible. So listeners, please do go out and

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