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Radio Atlantic

A War Begun on Instinct

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.32.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

The president is trusting his gut, not Congress. The Atlantic staff writer Missy Ryan covers national security and has spent years reporting on American wars in the Middle East. She helps sift through the changing explanations for why the administration says it took America to war with Iran. And Senator Jeanne Shaheen, ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee, shares how she thinks Democrats can responsibly act as a check on Donald Trump now that the war has started. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/Listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The two most powerful air forces in the world will have complete control of Iranian skies, uncontested airspace.

0:15.2

Operation Epic Fury continues, with more casualties, more Middle Eastern countries being drawn in, and more

0:23.3

swagger from Defense Secretary Pete Hex-F.

0:26.3

Flying over their capital, flying over the IRGC, Iranian leaders looking up and seeing only

0:35.3

U.S. and Israeli air power every minute of every day until we decide it's over.

0:44.9

The administration seems to have a great appetite for describing the theater of war in the moment.

0:51.6

Leaders killed, warships sunk, airspace conquered. Death and destruction from the sky all day long.

1:00.9

But much less so for the more abstract questions of the war. Why did the U.S. go in in the first place?

1:08.9

Why is American blood and money worth the cost?

1:12.9

And what is the ultimate goal?

1:15.6

I'm Hanna Rosen.

1:16.9

This is Radio Atlantic.

1:18.6

Later in the show, I talked to Gene Chaheim, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign

1:22.9

Relations Committee, about what legislators can do to get answers.

1:27.6

President Trump, after all, took the U.S. to war without Congress's approval, barely

1:33.1

notifying them.

1:34.6

When Secretary of State Marco Rubio visited the Hill on Monday, he made it seem like Israel

1:39.9

had more say in the matter than the branch of the U.S. government that has the actual power to declare war.

1:45.6

Although when Trump was asked the following day, if Israel had forced his hand, he replied,

1:51.6

essentially, that he had a gut feeling that this was the right moment.

1:55.1

We were having negotiations with these lunatics, and it was my opinion that they were going to attack first. They were

2:02.3

going to attack. If we didn't do it, they were going to attack first. I felt strongly about that.

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