Welcome to Women Who Travel. I'm Lale Aricoglu.

I'm very excited because today we're recording an episode I've wanted to make for a long time.

And that's how to pack with help from Vogue.

I'm joined today by Chloe Mal.

She's the new editor of Vogue.com and the host of Vogue's podcast, The Run Through with Vogue.

Welcome Chloe.

Thank you, Lolli. I'm so excited to be here.

I love talking about packing.

Don't we all?

Or at least I love complaining about packing.

So we have a lot of questions in our inbox from listeners and some from your listeners too.

Great. But I would love to start talking about you and your relationship to travel.

Working for Vogue obviously makes anyone think that you're going to be traveling around the world for your job. I don't know if that's true.

But I'm interested to know what your relationship to travel is, both in your personal life and in work. So I was very lucky growing up. It was very much just my mom and I living together.

And my father lived, we lived in Los Angeles. My father lived in Paris. So we traveled often from when I was very little to see him. And so I feel like my mother and I are always a good travel team. Although she now that I have young kids has reminded me that she used to travel in matching ponchos for me and her because I vomited so often that she would have extra clothing

and full ponchos like through the airport, which doesn't sound as glamorous as my memory of it.

I was going to say this transatlantic trip to Paris.

Yes, exactly.

Not a chic as one would quite imagine.

No, it's like a Paddington situation.

But I traveled a lot as a young adult after college. I lived in the Horn of Africa for a year and traveled a lot in that region. And I think that different regions that you travel in, there's different rules for the best way to travel. And so I think that you learn a lot when a different city is your hub. So if I'm traveling places from New York, I have different approaches than when I'm traveling from Addis Ababa or if I'm traveling from Paris. For work, I've worked at Vogue in some capacity since 2011, and I have taken some incredible trips for

stories for Vogue, and I'm very grateful for that. I do think that even though people think

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