This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Tuesday, June 20th, 2017.

I'm Caleb Brown.

The now repealed lower tax rates in Kansas

have been called a failed experiment,

and many fans of larger government saw the repeal as

a vindication of the value of a large public sector.

Grover Norquist is president of Americans for tax reform, we talked about the Kansas tax cuts and what the repeal

means for other states.

Is it fair to call what Kansas did back in 2012 with respect to taxes and experiment?

No, I know the governor did.

What they did was that a rather significant tax cut

because the pro-large government Republicans didn't want a tax cut.

So they took the governor's tax reform, which included significant rate reductions with

broadening the base.

They took the base broadening out and just passed the tax cut,

which was a larger tax cut than the governor had asked for,

feeling that the governor would never actually enact it, and therefore they could

go back to their constituents and say, we did two vote for tax.

Cut.

But they could safely know that it wouldn't happen, keep the Teachers Union happy.

The Republicans in the House said, okay, we'll do this, and they went out and passed the tax cut not tax reform but tax cut the

Republicans tried to repeal their initial enactment before the other house passed it.

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