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The Lawfare Podcast

A Very Special Grand Jury Report

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🗓️ 10 January 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

District Attorney of Fulton County Fani Willis has completed her special grand jury investigation of election tampering in 2020. The special purpose grand jury has completed its report and has been dissolved, and the supervising judge yesterday scheduled a hearing for January 24 to decide whether to make the report public. What will happen next? Will there be indictments? Are they going to wait until after the report comes out, or should we expect them imminently? Should we expect a Trump indictment coming next?

To go over it all, Lawfare editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare contributor Anna Bower, Georgia State University Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis, and Tamar Hallerman of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and co-host of the podcast Breakdown, which has followed the special grand jury from the beginning. 

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If you want this to stick in a court of law, you would need to paint a really broad narrative about a conspiracy that stretched over a long period of time and potentially part of a pattern that included multiple swing states.

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They would really have to go pretty big with it in order to get charges to stick.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast January 10, 2023.

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District Attorney of Fulton County, Fannie Willis, has completed her special grand jury investigation of election tampering in 2020.

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The special purpose grand jury has completed its report.

1:15.0

It has been dissolved and the supervising judge yesterday scheduled a hearing for January 24th to decide whether to make the report public.

1:27.0

What's going to happen next? Are there going to be indictments? Are they going to wait until after the report comes out? Or should we expect them imminently?

1:37.0

We gathered in the virtual jungle studio, an all-star team to discuss the matter, LawFair contributor and a bower.

1:47.0

Georgia State University Law Professor Anthony Michael Christ and tomorrow Halerman of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, co-host of the terrific podcast breakdown, which has followed the special grand jury from the beginning.

2:04.0

We went over it all. What to expect now that the report is done. Will it become public or is that really in question? And what should we expect? Is a Trump indictment coming next? It's the LawFair podcast January 10th, a very special grand jury report.

2:27.0

All right, tomorrow get us started here. What is the news that we learned this morning and what do we know at this stage?

2:38.0

Sure, we got a two-page order from Judge Robert McBerney this morning. And he is the Fulton Superior Court judge who's been tasked with overseeing this special grand jury over the past eight months.

2:51.0

Now he's been getting periodic reports from jurors as they've notified him on his on their progress in this investigation. And in this order today, he acknowledged not only that the grand jury finished its work. It's written up a final report.

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And that he and the majority of his colleagues on the Fulton bench agree that the special grand jury did its work. It fulfilled its obligation under its authorization. And that it is hereby dissolved.

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And what else we saw in today's order was setting of a hearing on January 24th in which parties to this investigation will debate whether this report should be made public and how much of this report should be made public.

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So we should expect to hear the DA's office argue their side members of the media, perhaps working in one giant coalition will of course argue that this report should be made public.

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