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Culture Study Podcast

A Very Smart Conversation About Fantasy (and Romance) with Leigh Bardugo

Culture Study Podcast

Culture Study Podcast

Arts, Society & Culture

4.5789 Ratings

🗓️ 12 November 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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If you're a paid subscriber and haven't yet set up your subscriber RSS feed in your podcast player, here's the EXTREMELY easy how-to .And if you're having any other issues with your Patreon subscription — please get in touch! Email me at annehelenpetersen @ gmail OR submit a request to Patreon Support. Thank you for making the switch with us — the podcast in particular is much more at home here!I love books with complicated lore. I love plots that interrogate the way power accumulates and spoils — particularly but not exclusively on Ivy League campuses. I love it when a character learns of UNKNOWN POWERS, and I love a good heist. Which means I fell in love with Leigh Bardugo's books immediately. My favorite is Ninth House (and its sequel, Hell Bent) but she is equally well-known for the Shadow and Bone series and the duology Six of Crows, which was just re-released for its tenth anniversary... all of which pop up all over the Culture Study reading rec threads whenever we have them. So imagine my surprise when Leigh's team heard that Culture Study loved Leigh's work and would we like to have Leigh come on the show? YES, OF COURSE. And listen, I knew this conversation was gonna be great. But I didn't realize it was gonna be this great. We talk about genre, marketing, all the nerdy books she read as a teen, how to think about YA and exposure to the things that scare us, and, of course, whether there's gonna be a follow-up to Hell Bent. As always, we've worked hard to make this conversation interesting to people who aren't familiar with Leigh's work — all you have to be is interested in books, just generally — but if you're a fan, you're really gonna love it. Side Note: We're experimenting with producing our own (very imperfect) transcripts. You can find it here. If there's enough demand, we might consider putting in the not insignificant labor to make these super readable — but for now, they're a backup to the podcast, not a replacement for it. Thanks to the sponsors of today’s episode!Head to Graza.co/CULTURESTUDY and use CULTURESTUDY to get 10% off your order and get cooking this holiday season with some fresh, delicious olive oilTo stock up on sustainable cleaning products for yourself, or to give a beautiful, sustainable gift to your friends and family this holiday season, go to Blueland.com/CULTURE and save up to 30% during Blueland’s holiday saleHead to moshlife.com/CULTURE to save 20% off plus FREE shipping on the best sellers trial pack or the plant-based trial packGo to shopremi.com/CULTURE and use code CULTURE  at checkout for 55% off a new night guard plus a FREE foam gift that whitens your teeth and cleans your nightguardShow Notes:Find all of Leigh's books at Bookshop — and here's how you can buy the new edition of Six of Crows Subscribe to Leigh's newsletter here Find out more about Leigh's work just generally here; I personally loved this profile in AltaLeigh references: The Dragonlance Chronicles, the Louise Erdrich short story "Fleur" which was printed in Esquire but can now be found in Tracks I reference Linda Williams' groundbreaking work on melodrama as a modeI reference our episode with Sarah MacLean where we talk about how romance writers first books are often their best (and why)Just in case you somehow don't know about Bunnicula We're currently looking for your questions for future episodes about: Eldest daughter discourseThe sociology of NAMES (naming trends, naming assumptions)WEIRD ENGLISH WORDS (where do they come from!) with Colin Gorrie, who writes explainers like this one on the word DOGAnything you need advice or want musings on for the AAA segment. You can ask about anything, it’s literally the name of the segmentAs always, you can submit them (and ideas for future eps) hereFor this week’s discussion: What's your favorite Leigh Bardugo book? OR OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING ELSE! Like how do you think about being exposed to 'scary' ideas as a younger reader?

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means a lot to Melody and me. All right, on to today's show.

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This is the Culture Study podcast, and I'm Anne Helen Peterson.

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And I'm Libar Dugo. I'm the author of Shadow and Bone, Six of Crows, Ninth House, The Familiar,

1:01.4

and now the Dregs editions of Six of Crows coming out for the 10th anniversary of Six of Crows.

1:07.8

So your books get recommended constantly in the culture study community. We do a lot of, like,

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book threads, book concierge, like recommendations. And that's how I started reading them, what's from

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readers recommending them to me. How do you describe your work to someone who's not familiar with it?

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Like, the Randall, like, when a doctor, you know, they're always like, what do you do? And you're like, I read books. And they're like, what kind of books? And you're like, this is awkward. How am I going to describe this? So what do you do? Well, what I always say is I write fantasy novels, but that can mean a whole lot of different things depending on what kind of fantasy

1:46.3

you're interested in.

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Totally.

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I think it really depends.

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Like when somebody says, where should I start?

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