A very human vision for going all-in on AI

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🗓️ 7 December 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

AI models are very good at summarizing things, finding other things like those things, and helping you find those things again. But does that mean we should leave all the work of finding and understanding to those models? Sari Azout, the founder of an app called Sublime, doesn't think so. For this episode, the second in our two-part series about how developers are using AI and building models into their products, Azout explains how Sublime tries to balance being a thoroughly human-focused app with the efficiencies that come with new technologies. She has thoughts on curation, taste, and the differences between AI as a creative partner and AI as a creative replacement. Further reading: Sublime From Sari's newsletter: What matters in the age of AI is taste From The Atlantic: Good Taste Is More Important Than Ever AI Is a Lot of Work Making human music in an AI world Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [email protected] or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Support for this show comes from MongoDB.
0:03.3	You're a developer who wants to innovate.
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0:39.4	Welcome to the Virch cast, the flagship podcast of personal knowledge management.
0:43.6	I'm your friend David Pierce, and please believe me when I say that if I could make this show
0:47.2	entirely about to-do list apps and no-ticking structures and the para method, I would.
0:53.8	But for your sake and frankly, also for mine, that is not what we're going to do here.
0:58.6	What we are going to do here is the second part of our two-part miniseries
1:02.3	about how developers are using and building with AI in their products.
1:07.5	Basically, I reached out to a couple of people who make apps that I really like and just
1:11.7	said, can you come explain to me what AI does, what it doesn't do, and how you think it fits
1:17.4	into this product. We had a lot of fun with Thomas Paul Mann from Raycast last week. And this
1:22.2	week, I'm talking to Sari Azute, who builds a tool called Sublime. And the way I would describe
1:26.9	sublime, you'll hear Sari describe it too, And the way I would describe Sublime, you'll hear
1:27.7	Sarie describe it too, but the way I would describe it is as a bookmarking tool and then some, right?
1:34.7	The idea is you collect stuff, you find a link that you like, or you highlight something in a
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