A US Diplomat's Son in Cold War Soviet Union, Nicaragua and Cuba (347)

Cold War Conversations

Ian Sanders

Society & Culture, Documentary, History

4.8 • 758 Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2024

⏱️ 66 minutes

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In this fascinating interview, Patrick D. Joyce recounts his unique experience growing up as the son of a U.S. diplomat during the Cold War. Living in the diplomatic community of the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, and Cuba, Patrick shares vivid memories of his father's career as a Soviet and linguistic expert, who rose to become Deputy Ambassador at both the Moscow and Havana US embassies. The discussion touches on the juxtaposition of ordinary family life in various U.S. embassies around the world alongside the extraordinary circumstances of espionage and international relations, highlighting the complexities and contradictions of living in hostile countries during tense political times. The narrative weaves through personal anecdotes, school experiences, interactions with local populations, and the evolving geopolitical landscape, providing a deeply personal lens on historical events. Episode extras here https://coldwarconversations.com/episode347/ The fight to preserve Cold War history continues and via a simple monthly donation, you will give me the ammunition to continue to preserve Cold War history. You’ll become part of our community, get ad-free episodes, and get a sought-after CWC coaster as a thank you and you’ll bask in the warm glow of knowing you are helping to preserve Cold War history. Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ If a monthly contribution is not your cup of tea, We also welcome one-off donations via the same link. Patrick D. Joyce is the author of two Cold War thrillers for young adults: Back in the USSR and Strawberry Fields. Learn more about Patrick and his books at https://patrickdjoyce.com. Obituary in The Foreign Service Journal for Patrick’s father, John M. “Mike” Joyce: https://afsa.org/sites/default/files/flipping_book/070823/90/ “The Old Russian Legacy,” by John M. Joyce, in Foreign Policy (1984): https://www.jstor.org/stable/1148385 “La guerra de la CIA contra Cuba,” the 1987 Cuban TV exposé that aired the night before Patrick’s family departed Havana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqdlRcs06-Y The Washington Post on the Cuban TV exposé: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/07/25/spy-charges-strain-us-cuban-ties/d1a4ecc6-a7f6-4765-9a74-16a2d925b2eb/ James Olson on Foreign Policy’s I Spy podcast, with a recently revealed backstory to the Cuban TV exposé: https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/ispy/?episode=the-counterspy Find the ideal gift for the Cold War enthusiast in your life! Just go to https://coldwarconversations.com/store/ Support the project! https://coldwarconversations.com/donate/ Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/ColdWarPod Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/coldwarpod/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/coldwarconversations/ Youtube https://youtube.com/@ColdWarConversations Love history? Join Intohistory https://intohistory.com/coldwarpod 0:00 Introduction to Cold War Conversations 00:27 Meet Patrick D Joyce: A Diplomat's Son 01:37 Early Life and Family Background 04:44 Life in the Diplomatic Community 09:06 Experiences in the Soviet Union 19:00 Return to Moscow in the 80s 23:58 Navigating Diplomatic Life 29:06 Reflections and Writing Novels 30:13 Arrival in Managua: A Soviet Satellite 30:52 Life Amidst Conflict: The Contra War 32:41 Navigating Diplomatic Challenges 35:03 Teenage Adventures in a War-Torn City 38:04 Spies Among Us: Embassy Life Revealed 40:46 Transition to Havana: A Diplomatic Shift 42:54 Living in Havana: Between Luxury and Hostility 46:44 A Summer Job in Havana 48:04 Suspicions and Scandals: The Spy Question 54:31 Return to Moscow: A New Era 58:56 Life in Moscow: Socializing and Escaping 01:00:18 Final Departure: A Road Trip to Freedom 01:01:08 Episode Extras and Acknowledgements Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:36.1	These places we lived in, they were all pretty much hostile countries. They were all
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0:56.1	podcast app or join our emailing list at cold warconversations.com. In this fascinating interview,
1:04.9	Patrick D. Joyce recounts his unique experience growing up as the son of a US diplomat during the Cold War.
1:12.6	Living in the diplomatic community of the Soviet Union, Nicaragua and Cuba, Patrick shares
1:18.6	vivid memories of his father's career as a Soviet and linguistic expert who rose to become
1:24.6	deputy ambassador at both the Moscow and Havana U.S. embassies.
1:30.3	The discussion touches on the juxtaposition of ordinary family life in various U.S. embassies around the world,
1:37.3	alongside the extraordinary circumstances of espionage and international relations,
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