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Welcome to The Conversation. I'm Dasha Burns, White House Bureau Chief for Politico, and this is the first episode of our second season.

We had a very different show plan this week, but after news of Charlie Kirk's death, we decided to pivot.

Charlie Kirk was shot and killed while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Kirk founded Turning Point USA when he was 18 years old and turned it into one of the most

influential conservative grassroots organizations in the country. He was 31 years old, and he was a

larger than life figure in Republican politics. He was controversial. He was

provocative. And a lot of my work has covered the impact and influence of a cultural shift in

American politics that in many ways he helped lead. I interviewed Charlie multiple times,

and our exchanges were sometimes intense. I pressed him. He pushed back.

But in the end, he was always cordial, always willing to engage.

This is obviously devastating and heartbreaking for Charlie's family and friends,

and my thoughts are with them.

A lot of the conversation right now is about political violence,

something that really hits home for me.

I was in Butler, Pennsylvania and witnessed the assassination attempt on President Trump.

I saw what political violence can do to really just about everyone it touches.

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