What's up everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast. We're here with the

original gardener. Margaret Roach. She's a lifelong O.G. organic

gardener and the founder of A Way to Garden, which is a

website, it's a podcast, and she has re-released her book with the same title

A Way to Garden. We're actually giving a copy away.

So if you'd like to be entered into that,

you can go ahead and leave a review on iTunes

with your review, plus the words,

Away to Garden at the end,

so I know you entered, and we'll be announcing the winner here on the podcast or on

Instagram or probably on both but anyways today like I said yesterday

something that I usually or at least in the past was not the biggest fan of

was the lawn you know I grew up with a lawn and then as I've become a gardener I

started to kind of disrespect the idea of a lawn seeing it as a waste of space or as a waste of

resources but as I was reading through Margaret's book

she has a section on organic lawn care so I said okay this is curious I'm gonna read this and

she kind of has an anti-lawn lawn lawn and so Margaret I thought it would be kind of

an anti-lawn lawn lawn. And so Margaret, I thought it would be kind of cool if you gave everyone a bit of

an overview of how you've approached your lawn and your lawn care.

Well, people always, when they come for open garden days a few times a year they all say oh your lawn

look so great and I'm like what lawn but I have a 2.3 acre garden and there are

big sort of beds in different areas around the property and so what's

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