A Ukrainian View of the Apocalypse
Misquoting Jesus with Bart Ehrman
Chris Huntley
4.8 • 745 Ratings
🗓️ 18 April 2023
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
In this episode Bart interviews Ukrainian theologian Mikhail Abakumov, in exile in Poland and involved with humanitarian efforts dealing with other refugees, about how the book of Revelation is interpreted by conservative Ukrainian Christians, who believe that "the prophecies are now being fulfilled." That, of course, has long been the view of American evangelicals and fundamentalists, but standard Ukrainian understandings of what the "signs" are and where they are leading to (and America's role in the coming End) are radically different from what anyone would expect over here.
This is fascinating material, coming from someone deeply affected by the Russian invasion and intimately familiar with the religious response of the Ukrainian church.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Misquoting Jesus with Bart Ehrman. |
| 0:06.5 | The only show where a six-time New York Times bestselling author and world-renowned Bible |
| 0:12.3 | scholar uncovers the many fascinating, little-known facts about the New Testament, the historical |
| 0:17.8 | Jesus and the rise of Christianity. |
| 0:20.0 | I'm your host, Megan Lewis. |
| 0:22.6 | Let's begin. |
| 0:24.4 | I'd like to welcome you to this special edition of the Misquoting Jesus podcast. |
| 0:30.4 | This week I'll be doing the interview, and it's going to be a very different kind of episode this time |
| 0:36.6 | because I am dealing with somebody who's a scholar, a Christian scholar who works in the Christian theological tradition. |
| 0:44.1 | I have with me, Mikhail Abakumov, who's Ukrainian. |
| 0:48.9 | He normally lives in Ukraine, but he has had to leave because of the Russian invasion, and he's now resident in |
| 0:58.5 | Poland. Mikhail had me on his podcast recently to talk about my book that's coming out on |
| 1:06.4 | Armageddon. And it was such an interesting conversation that I thought that people on this |
| 1:11.8 | podcast are certainly wanting to hear something from Mikhail, in part because of the situation |
| 1:16.6 | that his country's in and that he's in as a refugee from the country, but also because he's |
| 1:22.8 | intimately involved with ministries. He's a theologian, as you'll see, but also ministries dealing with |
| 1:28.7 | refugees from Ukraine. And as it turns out, the book of Revelation is relevant for some of the |
| 1:35.2 | things happening. And that was fascinating to me and stuff I didn't know. I wanted more, |
| 1:40.5 | basically, I want to learn more about it. So I asked Mikhail to be on, be on this podcast. |
| 1:45.2 | And so that's what, that's what today's podcast is. |
| 1:47.3 | So first of all, Mikhail, welcome to the podcast. |
| 1:50.5 | Yeah, thanks for invitation. |
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