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What does it mean to have a male or female sex assigned at birth as distinct from being male or female in biological terms? What does that distinction mean? I guess to me, what that

distinction means is at birth, when our children are born, by and large,

a doctor looks at their genitals and says, you know, you have a penis, we're going to put M,

you have a vagina, we're going to put F. And that is one, you know, the external genitalia are

one facet of the biological components of sex.

And there are others, chromosomes, hormones, secondary sex characteristics.

And I would include within my understanding of sex how we see ourselves.

So these are different aspects of our biological sex.

And then what differs from the sex we are given based on our genitals at birth, and whether

we are a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, I think is most of the time we see ourselves

exactly as the genital check confirmed.

Most people do.

And then that there are some of us who don't.

There's something just fundamental and deep about the fact that that wasn't the right way of seeing us. And so I would say a man or a woman is someone

who understands in their core that they are a man or a woman. That's ACLU attorney Chase Strangio

speaking on Ostalford's podcast, Interesting Times. A lot of words to say, essentially, a man is

someone who thinks they're a man and a woman is someone who thinks they're a woman. But does that

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