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All right, welcome back to the Carl Jackson show.

I am joined now by my guest and new friend, Gary Benford, you guys are going to listen.

This guy is absolutely excellent in his analysis.

When it comes to all things political, I was able to go on his show just a couple or a few weeks ago and enjoyed it thoroughly.

Sometimes you get invited to the show.

You're not sure how it'll go.

But honestly, I mean, I loved his take on different subjects that we were discussing.

And you guys are going to love his accent.

His accent makes everything even better. Gary Benford, welcome to the Carl Jackson show. I'm, I'm very happy to be here, Carl. Thanks for having me. And I'm just going to let the people know, I don't have a New York accent. Don't believe him. Don't. The first thing he says, he comes on my show, he goes, I didn't know how you were going to sound, but you have a New York accent. I do not have a New York accent. But Carl, it's great to have you. And thank you for the intro. But Carl, you know, my thing is Marxism, socialism, trying to save America. So please, I'm not an expert.

Hey, well, listen, we'll have fun together.

I'm sure the audience will love you and we'll talk, we'll chop up some of these topics because

it's been a, this is the craziest thing. And this is, this is news at the speed of Trump, Gary,

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