So at what point did he, before being a whistleblower, and typically as a whistleblower, to do that at a young age, that could be career, it could hurt you with your career if you're going to come out and talk about it, right?

So you have to be careful because all the other engineering firms to hire you, they may be like, whoa, do we want to hire a whistleblower?

It's a little bit of a risk for him, right? What got him to get to the point of saying,

I have to blow the whistle here with what's going on?

Yeah.

He had his own startup plans.

Before he quit Open AI, in July, he had to start his,

he had a plan to start a startup with respect to neuroscience and machine learning.

He did check with his friend from UC Berkeley who studied together, will you join me?

He already knew he was not going to be depending on anyone's job.

He's going to create his own job and his company.

And telling the ethics would demonstrate his integrity

that would only help him secure funds, he said.

So this is July of 2024.

He had already plans of starting his own company.

He is still with Open AI because I don't think he left Open AI

for another month or two right after that.

Yes.

What was the exact month? Did he leave in September or August?

August 4th.

He left August 4th.

So, and then when did he blow the whistle?

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