There are multiple reasons I'm really excited for you guys to hear today's episode.

This is the second one we've heard of these interviews with comedians.

I have become really interested in the way that comedy can sometimes intersect with religion and spirituality,

and certainly with values and sort of what's most important to us as people.

I think it's really, really rich, rich territory, rich overlap.

Maggie Lawley, who I talked to today, just has some of the craziest stories of anyone I have

ever interviewed on this show.

That's the second reason.

I'm excited for you guys to listen to this.

She's got an interesting Catholic upbringing. Her dad sounds like, her late father sounds like the coolest dude. I'm excited for you guys to listen to this. She's got an interesting Catholic upbringing.

Her dad sounds like, her late father sounds like the coolest dude I could have ever hung out with.

She gets into some witchcraft stuff at one point in her life. Not all of it consensual. It's

really interesting, really fantastic conversation. So I hope you guys enjoy it.

Okay. really fantastic conversation. So I hope you guys enjoy it. Welcome back, everybody, to you have permission, the show that aims to take both Christianity

and the modern world of science and culture very seriously. I'm Dan Koch. I'm a licensed

therapist and a liberal Christian. And they say that the best way to make God laugh is to make a plan.

Well, my plan is to talk with comedians about religion and spirituality, everything related to that,

whether or not that makes God laugh. And joining me to do that today is Maggie Lally. Thank you for

being here. Friend of Ryan Irwin, previous guest in this same series. So thanks Ryan for introducing us.

Yes. Thanks for having me. I'm excited. Your bits on Instagram, which are pulled primarily from

your stand-up, but the occasional also kind of funny, constructed video, like a skit or whatever,

sketch. There's one bit that I can't share the audio because it's like a little

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