She knows there's no video, she knows there's no tape going, she knows it's just me and her,

and she says to me, you're never going to solve this.

And I just looked at her and I said, I am going to solve this, and when I'm done, you're investigative journalist and former deputy sheriff.

I'm Anasiga Nikolazi, former New York City homicide prosecutor and host of investigation discoveries true conviction.

And this is Anatomy of Murph.

If you're a longtime listener of this show or just a true crime fan in general, you probably

can't count the number of times you've heard how DNA or modern forensics

have helped solve a crime or catch a killer. So it's sometimes hard to believe just how new

most of this science really is. And you may be asking, what did investigators do before these

techniques became so commonplace? I mean, fingerprinting has been around for most of the 20th century.

But even when I started by law enforcement career in the 1980s, things like DNA profiling,

GPS tracking, even doorbell cameras, they all sounded like stuff of science fiction.

And the answer? What we often describe as old school detective work,

gathering facts, building a timeline, and speaking with people, witnesses, sometimes over and over,

until the potential lies are exposed and the truth shakes out. Because while the heart proof can

often be revealed in a piece of science, at the heart of every crime is a story, an intricate web of human desires, fears, and frailties.

And with just the right combination of patience, logic and gut instinct, a good investigator can unravel that web and reconstruct a story that may have begun

with a single dark thought, but ended in murder.

This was truly detective work to me. This is what an investigation should have been.

You know, it wasn't send some DNA swabs off, send some foot impressions off.

It was myself and my partners working together and just keeping at it like every single day until we salt it.

Retired detective Michelle Amacone worked in law enforcement for 29 years,

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