Hi, it's Harry. Just wanted to give you a quick heads up about what you can find now on our

Patreon site. We're in the middle of a sort of summer book club where I'll be talking to the

authors of five different books and Applebaum on the Twilight of Democracy, Norm Eisen on a case

for the United States. Those are already up. This week I'll be talking to David Litt and to Jeff

Tuben about their new books and the following week to John Dean, former White House Council.

There's also lots of material there that continues to be, I think, of interest, not just

topical discussion. So, for example, you might want to check out Jonathan Zittrain with whom I

discussed the very interesting and complicated problem of how to track the contacts that people

with the virus have had with everyone else, or maybe the Alain Arkin conversation where we

discussed his Eastern philosophy and approach to life during the virus. So, lots of good stuff

there. You can check it out without having to join just to see the capsule descriptions of the

various discussions and then decide if you'd like to subscribe for $5 a month or $3 for students.

Thanks and here's our show.

Welcome to Talking Fence. A round table that brings together prominent former federal officials

and special guests for a dynamic discussion of the most important political and legal topics of

the day. I'm Harry Litton. It's official. The United States stands well above the rest of the

developed world in its virus numbers and is the only nation to have suffered a severe and

sustained outbreak for more than four months. Nearly two million Americans have tested positive

for the virus in the last month, which is more than five times as many as in all of Europe,

Canada, Japan, South Korea, and Australia combined. And Black and Latino Americans continue to

contract the virus about three times as frequently as white Americans. President Trump took it on

the chin in two federal courts. Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance told a federal trial judge

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