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You're listening to The Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined by a good friend, Russ Dubner, to wrap up our series on play.

Russ developed a unique artistic event space called Backstage Stillwater,

and he shares about his process of living into the creative, playful parts of himself,

reflecting with Dan on how we can create spaces of play, I have the privilege of being with a dear friend Russ Tudner.

And Russ, good to be with you.

And let me introduce you before you even say, good to be with you, Dan.

Russ is a software developer, as a business owner. But for our conversation, he's the creator of

really beautiful spaces. And I've said to you before, you are a genius at creating installation art. And in that sense,

you've created a playground really for adults to enter into their senses. The combination of art,

food, music, stories, and conversations.

I'll just say, you're a genius at play,

even if you don't know and don't think of yourself

as being that playful.

We had a conversation, obviously, beforehand.

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