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KERA's Think

A summer camp for trans men

KERA's Think

KERA

Society & Culture, 071003, Kera, Think, Krysboyd

4.8861 Ratings

🗓️ 20 September 2024

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

At one summer camp, canoeing and camaraderie take on new meaning as a gathering place for trans men. Journalist Sandy Ernest Allen joins host Krys Boyd to discuss what it was like to take on traditional activities with the comfort of knowing he was surrounded by his trans community, how the experience challenged his notions of manhood, and the surprising things he learned about himself during the process. His article for Esquire is “Into the Woods with 150 Trans Men.”

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0:00.0

The classic summer camp experience is all about a few carefree days or weeks away from home,

0:15.9

a place to try new things and form fast but intense bonds with other campers.

0:22.4

Maybe for your average 9-year-old,

0:28.6

bet break from the ordinary is a nice treat. But a summer camp created for adults, for trans men specifically, a place where everybody accepts you for who you are, no judgments, no sidelong

0:34.3

glances, no questions asked. A place like that surely feels like a dream come true.

0:40.6

From KERA in Dallas, this is Think.

0:43.5

I'm Chris Boyd.

0:44.9

Sandy Ernest Allen is a journalist.

0:46.9

When he was assigned to cover a three-day annual event called Camp Lost Boys,

0:51.3

he decided to have the full experience,

0:54.0

attending not as an impartial

0:55.8

observer, but as an enrolled camper himself. Sandy is trans. He's 37, has been on testosterone

1:01.6

for not quite four years, but as far as he could tell, he'd never spent time in the company of

1:06.8

more than two other trans men at once. At Camp lost boys.

1:11.2

He not only met dozens of others to whom he could relate,

1:14.0

but he had the exhilarating experience of being treated and accepted automatically as a man,

1:20.3

which is not something he can take for granted in the so-called real world where he lives the other 362 days of the year.

1:26.9

He wrote about his time at camp in an essay for Esquire magazine titled Into the Woods with 150 trans men.

1:34.3

Sandy, welcome to think.

1:36.2

Thank you so much for having me.

1:37.8

So when you say this piece was an assignment, it suggests it wasn't something you pitched to your editors initially. They learned about

1:45.2

the camp and thought you might be the right guy to cover it? I did pitch it. It was an idea that I had

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