A Stalemate in Ukraine
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🗓️ 22 March 2022
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
It’s been more than three weeks since Russia declared war on Ukraine. Here’s how each country is preparing for the next brutal stage of this conflict.
Guest: Fred Kaplan covers national security for Slate and is the author of The Bomb: Presidents, Generals, and the Secret History of Nuclear War.
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| 0:00.0 | When each day of war in Ukraine brings some fresh horror, pictures of a shopping mall in Kiev reduced to ruins, or video of a children's hospital, a maternity ward destroyed in a targeted attack, it can be difficult to imagine this violence could become routine. |
| 0:25.1 | But Slate's Fred Kaplan says, |
| 0:27.4 | that's probably what's about to happen. |
| 0:30.8 | I keep hearing this same word again and again |
| 0:34.3 | when I read about the war in Ukraine. |
| 0:36.7 | The word is stalemate. |
| 0:38.6 | Mm-hmm. |
| 0:39.0 | Like the war could be a stalemate. |
| 0:45.6 | I'm kind of curious what that would mean. |
| 0:50.2 | Well, it just means that each side keeps slogging each other, |
| 0:55.0 | but neither makes any real progress toward what they're trying to accomplish. |
| 1:00.0 | So a stalemate isn't an ending. |
| 1:03.0 | It's just a steady state. |
| 1:06.0 | You're thinking of, say, a stalemate in chess. |
| 1:09.0 | And since chess players are presumably rational people, when they hit a stalemate in chess. And since chess players are presumably rational people, when they |
| 1:13.7 | hit a stalemate, they realize, well, we might as well just call it a tie and leave because we're |
| 1:20.1 | just wasting our time. In war, however, there is always the hope, especially the side that started the war, that maybe something will happen |
| 1:30.8 | that will strengthen our position, and we will get more of our demands. And that seems to be |
| 1:36.7 | what Vladimir Putin is doing right now. Fred covers national security for Slate. |
| 1:45.7 | He says when he looks at pictures of what's going on in Ukraine, |
| 1:49.2 | it feels like a geopolitical game of mercy. |
| 1:53.3 | Do you feel like there's a timetable here? |
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