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This is the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast with IHartRadio.

It's the almost famous podcast.

And as always, we're here to support all of our fellow Bachelor Nation contestants.

Recently, we've been breaking down Alex Cooper's Unwell Winter Games because Joe and

Serena have taken a part in those Winter Games.

We started this whole thing by sharing our thoughts on the casting.

It was confusing to say the least.

The cast that was chosen for unwell winner games were controversial.

They were usually in the headlines for things that were not maybe appreciated.

We were a little confused.

We soon found out why.

And as we close the wrap up, breaking down episodes three and four,

Heather is with me today. And I think we really understand, at least I do, why this cast was chosen.

Yeah. I mean, I would still say there's a little bit of a question mark around Joe and Serena

because they're maybe the least controversial people on this show.

But boy, did they get spicy in one of these episodes?

I think that was them being like, we're fun, we're hip, we're, we can we can break rules too kind of thing.

We make out. We make out we make out yeah you know it was funny for me and I actually think it was a very sweet part of the show where the married

couples were actually the ones to participate in the makeout because Because with how this show was built,

I think they thought,

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