All right. Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I'm the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs Magazine.

My guests today are Harvey Kay. He is Professor Emeritus of Democracy and Justice Studies at the University of Wisconsin Green Bay,

as well as the author of books, including The Fight for the Four Freedoms,

take hold of our history.

And, oh, crap, I forgot the name of the Thomas Payne book.

What's the name of the Thomas Pain book?

Thomas Pain and the Promise of America. Thomas Payne and the Promise of America.

Thomas Pain and the Promise of America.

There we go.

There we go.

Welcome back to Current Affairs.

Oh, there we go.

Alan is holding up the book.

Thomas Payton of the Promise of America.

Welcome back to Current Affairs, Harvey Kay.

Thank you.

And I'm also here with Alan Minsky.

Alan is the executive director of progressive Democrats of America. And together, Harvey and

Alan have put together a 21st century economic bill of rights program that they have been elaborating it through in a series of

articles at common dreams. I've got a three-part series where they explain what a 21st century

economic bill of rights would look like, why we need it, and why it is the path back to power for progressive.

So we're going to talk about their agenda today, but there's also news that the 21st century

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