Here's the difference between our worldviews.

If my worldview is true, then there's objective moral standard, meaning outside of humans. If your worldview is true, there's not. I'm Welcome, everyone.

I have a guest today.

He's a Latter-day Saint.

And I came across, so this is Hayden.

I came across Hayden after I did my interview with Jacob Hansen, he shared a debate that Jacob Hansen and Hayden had against some Calvinists Christians.

So, and I believe James White was moderating. So that,

yeah, so that's how I, how I found out about you. And I've seen you a little bit in Facebook

groups and stuff. So, and is, I don't know, what else would you like to add? That's because

that's basically all I know about you. I'm, I'm just a guy who enjoys talking about religion, a guy who enjoys

being challenged and challenging others and talking about things that matter. So I'm,

I'm really looking forward to this conversation. Cool. I feel like a lot of Latter-day Saints, and this would have included me when I was

practicing, are perfectly fine just avoiding any church topics outside of the church. So have you

always been comfortable discussing your religion publicly, or has this something that's developed over time?

Yeah, that's a great question.

So it probably started like a lot of young LDS members on my mission.

I served, I'm from Arizona, but I served a full-time mission in Salt Lake City.

And so before you get called to Salt Lake City, you think everyone's a member and everyone's nice to the missionaries there.

But you quickly realize that there's a lot of people who don't like the missionaries

in the church, more so in like Salt Lake City proper, like downtown. When I served there, there was

a lot of opposition and people who already had opinions, obviously, about us and who knew

about us or thought they knew about us.

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