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TALKING POLITICS

A Second Referendum?

TALKING POLITICS

Catherine Carr

News, News & Politics

4.72.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 February 2018

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

This week David and Helen chew over the big issues of British politics. How vulnerable is Theresa May? What is Philip Hammond playing at? What would be the point of a second referendum on Brexit? Lots of questions, lots of answers, not so much agreement on which answers are the right ones. You decide!

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, my name is David Ronsman and this is Talking Politics and this week it's just me and Helen.

0:13.0

And we're going to talk about Brexit, Second referendum, the fate of Theresa May and anything else we can get to.

0:21.0

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0:31.0

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0:35.0

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0:42.0

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0:46.0

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0:53.0

So Helen, this is a rare opportunity for you and me to talk about these things without anyone else interrupting.

0:59.0

Let's see how we get on. Let's start with Theresa May.

1:05.0

So my sense on this podcast we keep changing our minds about things but this isn't our fault.

1:09.0

So since she's been Prime Minister, she's been a genius, a blunderer, a fool, a dogged, determined, Brexit here.

1:19.0

A survivor.

1:21.0

And now, and I just don't quite get what's driving it at this moment, there are lots of things that could be driving it.

1:27.0

She seems to have gone from being the person who had secured her position just a few weeks ago to someone who can't survive for much longer.

1:35.0

And something's happened and no one's telling us exactly what's happened.

1:39.0

It's clearly going on inside the Conservative party, it's going on inside the government.

1:43.0

You hear these stories about people having finally run out of patience with her indecisiveness, her unresponsiveness, her inability to communicate.

1:52.0

These things were all known about her last year during the last bout of she can't survive.

1:57.0

And then she delivered something on Brexit. So what is driving this?

2:02.0

I'm in some senses mystified as you but I think there were two at least plausible hypotheses of what's going on.

2:10.0

The first of them is about her, Annie is about her style of leadership and that when it delivers something, for example, the first stage agreement before Christmas, then the doubts, and I think that actually more than doubts, this part of the party that actually has some contempt for her.

2:31.0

I put back in the box but her getting past those problems relies on her having episodes of success.

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