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without first speaking with your doctor. Now, let's head to the show. Hi, everyone. Today I speak with

Anita Usnes and Christina Kassian from the GAMAP based out of Norway, which is the only research validated dysbiosis index.

So we discuss how this test came to be, its methodology, how it's been validated, how it can

distinguish healthy controls from other cohorts, and also how we should think about this test's ability or inability to tell us how to treat a patient.

And yeah, it was just a really interesting conversation with some passionate researchers who are

thankfully producing a validated measure of dysbiosis.

So we have something that we can be confident has been able to distinguish

between healthy individuals and other groups and not make the mistake of over interpreting

from a stool test that hasn't gone through the requisite validation to be able to say,

you know, this is dysbiosis or this is not.

Because on stool tests, you will get a lot of information, but it's not to say that you can just

kind of eyeball a test and say, well, if there's many things red or high, that means dysbiosis.

You know, there's important questions of what threshold of finding

would tell you that this is a, let's say, IBS or IBD individual as compared to a healthy

control, because even healthy controls will have a little bit of noise. So that's why the validation

is so important to go through. So that is the discussion here to follow. Reminder, if you do need

some help in terms of how to improve your own gut health, I would refer you to my book, Healthy, Good,

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