A roadmap to utopia (with Rutger Bregman)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

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🗓️ 25 June 2019

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Rutger Bregman, who The Guardian has called “the Dutch wunderkind of new ideas”, joins us this week to daydream a better future. Bregman won international fame by taking on everyone from Tucker Carlson to the wealthy elites at Davos on the topic of income inequality, and here he lays out a positive economic vision using the pillars of his book ‘Utopia for Realists’: a universal basic income, open borders, and a 15-hour workweek. Rutger Bregman is a Dutch historian and author. He has published four books on history, philosophy, and economics. His book ‘History of Progress’ was awarded the Belgian Liberales prize for best nonfiction book of 2013, and the Dutch edition of ‘Utopia for Realists’ became a national bestseller and sparked a basic income movement that made international headlines. The book has been translated into 31 languages. Bregman has twice been nominated for the prestigious European Press Prize for his journalism work at The Correspondent. Twitter: @rcbregman Further reading: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/18/solution-everything-working-less-work-pressure https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/feb/26/rutger-bregman-utopia-for-realists-interview-universal-basic-income https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/20/dutch-professor-exposes-tucker-carlsons-fraud/?utm_term=.a252dc0fa581 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/01/rutger-bregman-world-economic-forum-davos-speech-tax-billionaires-capitalism https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1090045108064579584

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0:00.0	In my utopian society, work and play would become the same thing, right? Or we would have removed the word work from the dictionary.
0:13.0	Poverty is too expensive.
0:14.5	We can't afford it.
0:15.5	I love your ambition, but good God
0:17.8	we're far behind here.
0:19.4	We gotta be talking about Texas.
0:21.4	That's it.
0:21.8	Texas, Texas, Texas, Texas. All the rest is bullshit.
0:24.1	From the offices of Civic Ventures in downtown Seattle, this is Pitch Fork Economics, with Nick Hanauer.
0:37.0	One American capitalist take on how we got into this mess and how we can get out. Hey, I'm Zach Silk and I'm the president of Civic Ventures.
0:50.0	Hey, I'm Zak Silk and I'm the president of Civic Ventures. I'm
0:53.0	here with Nick.
0:54.0	Hey, so we are having a conversation today with
0:58.2	Rucker-Bregman.
0:59.7	He is a Dutch historian and author who's published four books but his most important one
1:04.8	is Utopia for Realists how we can build the ideal world and this was at the
1:11.3	foreground of sparking what has become a movement around
1:14.2	universal basic income, which is simply the proposition that the government
1:18.8	should pay every citizen some stipend, how much that's open, obviously context dependent, but the idea
1:27.1	is that you would get a stipend from the government which would essentially cover a lot of your you know your basics and
1:36.7	by so doing give people a lot more freedom and agency in their economic lives.
1:43.0	Yeah, and then interestingly, the guardian called him the Dutch Wonderkin of new ideas,
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